Muir, Helensburgh Community Council
a profound democratic deficit in the consideration process of the development
of the Waterfront area left over from the completion of the Leisure Centre. In
particular the machinations of Argyll & Bute in overriding the longstanding
detail of the Masterplan Addedum of 2013. This is
indicative of a disregard of the hitherto inviolate parameters contained in the
Masterplan, without reference to the community.
thought and analysis has to be devoted to the current standing pf the project.
In particular the reassertion of the principles of local democracy and
community engagement. This is a local issue which has to be addressed in
detail. The Helensburgh & Lomond Area Committee
must meet with the Helensburgh Community Council and
other community interests to resolve this unsatisfactory situation as a matter
of urgency. When will such a meeting take place?
Mulvaney advised that officers and elected members had
met with Helensburgh Community Council but due to the
Community Council being a bidder in the process they must be treated the same
as any other commercial interest.
Discussion took place in relation
to the legalities around communication with the Community Council, specifically
whether a subcommittee could be created to participate in the bidding process.
The Head of Commercial Services
advised that he would speak to colleagues within Legal and Regulatory Support
and provide clarification to Members by email.
Jackie Hood, Helensburgh Skatepark Project
Why have the Council chosen to misrepresent and manipulate the views and aspirations of the Helensburgh Skatepark Project in their recent report?
We as a Group have never said that the waterfront
site is too small and the wrong location. The skatepark
belongs on the waterfront and has been integral to the development of the site
since the Masterplan Addendum of 2012. Location is the most important
consideration, even over size. We have been told that if we choose to remain on
the waterfront, we will always be restricted by the arbitrary dimensions of 17m
by 20m stated by planning. Even though we refute these dimensions, we wish to
stay on what is a perfect site for a skatepark.
I would like to express my frustration and concern about these misrepresentations. The recent allocation of £80,000 is very welcome but the Council needs to clarify for the public that this money will be spent trying to find a location which will allow for a bigger, more ambitious skatepark. However if this turns out not to be possible, people know that the skatepark can definitely remain on the waterfront site and any funds remaining will be used to improve it.
I would like it minuted that the skatepark project does not agree with the report's recommendations that "the waterfront site is not considered to be a suitable long term location for the skatepark’’.
Estates and Property Development Manager advised that during discussions the Skatepark Group
advised that they would like to develop a larger facility that would attract
visitors and users to Helensburgh. Mr Allan
highlighted that the waterfront site did not have capacity for both a larger skatepark and a commercial development, if indeed that was
the selected proposal.
Mr Allan highlighted that as noted previously,
future planning consents for the waterfront site would require to either
incorporate or relocate the skatepark and therefore
it made sense to explore those options which would allow the Group to achieve
the best outcome possible. Mr Allan confirmed that if it was not possible to
meet the larger skatepark vision the skatepark would be incorporated within the waterfront
development on a more limited scale.
Brown, Helensburgh Community Council
Council is being asked to approve the initiation of a retail study for Helensburgh. What is the timeline for this being completed,
will it be made public at that time, and how are Councillors expected to make a
decision about shortlisting retail ‘expressions of interest’ versus others
before that study informs them whether the town can accept more retailers?
Estates and Property Development Manager advised that the retail study had been commissioned
and would be completed within the next few weeks with it being made public
subject to any commercially sensitive information being redacted and that any
issues raised by the study would be considered by Members at the final offers
stage along with the other relevant factors.
Foy, Helensburgh Community Council
In 2011 the Council's Masterplan for a large commercial area on Helensburgh's waterfront was overwhelmingly rejected,
resulting in the 2012 Masterplan "Addendum" which was approved with
the compromise of limited retail space (upto 2600sqm
gross) allowing space for public realm and a skatepark
following the completion of the new leisure facility and town parking.
How is the new proposal for a very large commercial space of 5,600 sqm, and forcing the skatepark
off the waterfront, compatible with the 2012 Masterplan Addendum?
The Estates and Property Development Manager advised that the full site area was c5,600sqm with the
commercial space allocation of c2,665 sqm. Mr Allan
added that there was no intention to develop beyond the allocation of c2,665 sqm and that it was not intended to relocate the skatepark unless a site was identified which the Skatepark Group preferred and would deliver their larger,
for Helensburgh pierhead
was approved as Supplementary Planning Guidance in 2009. In 2011 the Council was of the view that this
needed updated as market conditions had changed during the intervening
years. The 2011 masterplan was rejected
and in 2012 a masterplan addendum, generally referred to as the 2012 masterplan,
was adopted. Now that over a decade has passed and the Council is today seeking
the removal of the key element of the skatepark, and
perhaps also over half of the site use being public realm before a new
forthcoming economic assessment has been completed, will the Council be
commissioning a new Masterplan Addendum that reflects the considerable changes
to economic conditions and shift in emphases of planning objectives as set out
in National Planning Framework 4?
The Estates and Development Manager advised
that he would provide Mrs Baker with a written response by email following the
The Head of Commercial Services advised that
at this stage Officers are working to the 2012 Masterplan and that there is no
proposal to put forward a new masterplan.
Polly Jones, Helensburgh
There is a considerable amount of concern around the process to make
decisions on what happens to the waterfront.
Does the Committee believe that it is prejudicial to be asked to agree
the following recommendation ‘the waterfront site is not considered to be a suitable long term
location for the skatepark as initial marketing of
the site has highlighted that the site is not large enough to accommodate a
larger scale skatepark which the group are seeking as
well as a viable commercial development’ outlined within the associated report
before considering the report ‘Helensburgh Waterfront
Development (Commercial Area) – Update & Shortlisting of Offers’, as the location is dependent on what the plans are for the
Helensburgh Community Council have undertaken a number of
consultation exercises, and have had 4,500 people participate, more than the 83
responses mentioned in the associated report. How will the Committee include
the views of the 4,500 alongside the plans and responses?
There is reference in the summary of the report at item 13, others would
welcome a retail or hospitality option, how many people are included in this
The Head of Commercial Services advised that he would provide Mrs Jones with
a written response by email following the meeting.
Committee Manager advised that it is custom and practise that those items which
have elements that are exempt are placed at end of the agenda to allow members
of public to attend as much of the meeting as possible.
Head of Commercial Services clarified that the recommendation is advising that
the waterfront is not large enough to accommodate a large scale skatepark alongside a commercial development but there could
be a smaller one.